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Communicating Cyber Risk: Why Soft Skills Are Now Security Skills

Dr. Ashley Sweetman

In this episode, Dr. Ashley Sweetman joins Steve Durbin to explore how security leaders can explain cyber risk in clear business terms and build lasting trust with the board.

published 20 - October - 2026
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Communicating Cyber Risk: Why Soft Skills Are Now Security Skills

In this episode, Dr. Ashley Sweetman joins Steve Durbin to explore how security leaders can explain cyber risk in clear business terms and build lasting trust with the board.

published 20 - October - 2026
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No Symptoms, No Family History: Why Every Man Should Get Tested

In this episode, Steve Durbin shares insights on battling stage 3 prostate cancer, emphasizing the significance of early detection and informed choices.

published 13 - October - 2026
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Legal Owl Podcast: Steve Durbin on AI, Geopolitics and Legal Cyber Resilience

In this episode, Steve Durbin guests on the Legal Owl Podcast, to discuss how geopolitics and AI reshape risks in the legal industry.

published 06 - October - 2026
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Legal Owl Podcast: Steve Durbin on Cyber Risk in the Legal Industry

In this episode, Steve Durbin guests on the Legal Owl Podcast, where host John "Jock" Brocas explores emerging cyber risk in the legal industry.

published 28 - September - 2026
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From the Archive – Communication, Listening and Being Heard

To celebrate Women in Cyber Security Awareness Month, we're revisiting Steve Durbin's 2021 conversation with Dame Inga Beale, former CEO of Lloyd's of London – a discussion that has lost none of its relevance.

published 14 - September - 2026
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Hackers Don't Break In, They Log In: Trust as the New Perimeter

In this episode, Former FBI counterintelligence operative Eric O'Neill, who helped capture double agent Robert Hanssen, joins Steve Durbin to explore why people, not technology, decide most cyber security outcomes.

published 28 - August - 2026
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Summer Listening: Emerging Threats for 2026

In this episode, Steve Durbin outlines proactive steps security leaders can take to anticipate and counter the emerging threats of 2026.

published 25 - August - 2026
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Summer Listening: Rest After Stress: The Psychology of High Performance

In this summer listening episode psychotherapist Lauren Farina joins Steve Durbin to explore how cyber security professionals can manage stress, high expectations, and the burden of digital responsibility in a demanding landscape.

published 18 - August - 2026
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Summer Listening: Ransomware Is a Business and It's Competing Against You

In this summer listening episode, Geoff White returns to discuss his deep research into the ransomware landscape, exploring how criminal gangs have industrialised into sophisticated business operations with Steve Durbin.

published 10 - August - 2026
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Summer Listening: How Quantum and Geopolitics Are Redefining Resilience

In this summer listening episode Steve Durbin rejoins Juliette Foster on 'Business Matters' (Bloomberg TV) to highlight the critical cyber risks set to define 2026.

published 04 - August - 2026
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Summer Listening: Identity in the Age of Agentic AI

In this episode Steve Durbin joins Alex Bovee, CEO and Co-Founder of C1, to explore why identity security has become one of the most critical and under-addressed risks in modern enterprises.

published 28 - July - 2026
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When Governments Shift: Reimagining UK Cyber Strategy and Business Resilience

In this episode, Steve Durbin speaks with Juliette Foster on Business Matters about why political transitions test the resilience of every system beneath them, cyber included, as the UK moves through this shift.

published 23 - July - 2026
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When Governments Shift: Reimagining UK Cyber Streategy and Business Resilience

Political transitions test the resilience of every system beneath them and cyber is no exception. As the UK moves through a change in leadership, the question isn't whether resilience matters. It's whether it can survive the handover.

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Ransomware Is a Business and It's Competing Against You

In this episode, Geoff White returns to discuss his deep research into the ransomware landscape, exploring how criminal gangs have industrialised into sophisticated business operations with Steve Durbin.

published 07 - July - 2026
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Identity in the Age of Agentic AI

In this episode Steve Durbin joins Alex Bovee, CEO and Co-Founder of C1, to explore why identity security has become one of the most critical and under-addressed risks in modern enterprises.

published 30 - June - 2026
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The Human Factor: Leadership, Risk and the AI Era

In this episode, Steve Durbin is joined by James Wilkson to explore what leadership qualities boards demand today, how to protect your personal brand in an era of deep fakes, and what AI really means for human connection.

published 23 - June - 2026
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The $4.2 Trillion Problem: Why Boards Can't Afford to Ignore Supply Chain Fraud

In this episode, Steve Durbin and with Stephanie Forbes explore what history's great trading empires can teach today's business leaders on modern supply chain governance and supplier fraud.

published 16 - June - 2026
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The Erosion of Trust: AI, Digital Risk, and the Governance Gap

Discover how evolving cyber threats from data theft and espionage to narrative manipulation are reshaping what organisational resilience must look like in the AI era.

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Train Like Your Life Depends on It: A SWAT Operator on Cyber Resilience

In this episode, Steve Durbin sits down with Dustin Dobbyn, Marine Corps veteran, former SWAT operator, and CEO of a fast-growing private security firm, to explore the parallels between physical and digital risk.

published 09 - June - 2026
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The New Never Normal: AI, the Future of Business and the Leaders We Need

Peter Hinssen returns after 10 years to explore with Steve Durbin why AI is reshaping leadership, why traditional strategy is broken and what it really means to scale intelligence without scaling headcount.

published 02 - June - 2026
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Recommended listen - The Policy Gap: Navigating AI, Risk and Regulation

In this recommended listen episode, Steve Durbin and Betsy Cooper explore how policymakers can keep pace with AI and quantum development, why no compliance strategy is truly future-proof, and what businesses should prioritize in an era where technology outpaces the laws meant to govern it.

published 19 - May - 2026
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AI & the Resilient Workforce: Thriving in the Next Decade

In this episode, Steve Durbin and Dr. Morneau explore how AI is transforming cyber careers, why human judgement and critical thinking will always matter, and why the best security talent might just come from the most unexpected backgrounds.

published 11 - May - 2026
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Gut Instinct: The Intuitive Edge in Cyber Security

In this episode, Steve Durbin, joins John "Jock" Brocas to explore how intuitive intelligence, or "gut instinct", and warrior philosophy can sharpen the way security professionals detect and respond to threats.

published 05 - May - 2026
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Beyond Infrastructure: The Case for Putting People First

In this episode Steve Durbin joins Emily Holyoake, Co-founder of Not A Standard and architect of the SAFE framework, to explore how tech-facilitated abuse, gender-based violence are challenging the industry to protect people.

published 28 - April - 2026
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From Most Wanted to Most Valuable: Inside the 2026 Threat Landscape

In this episode, Steve Durbin is joined by Brett Johnson to explore how AI and off-the-shelf tools have lowered the barrier to entry for attackers and what his journey from prison to the FBI means for cybersecurity's future.

published 21 - April - 2026
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Global Threats, UK Blind Spots: Cyber Resilience in a Volatile World

In this episode Steve Durbin, CEO of the Information Security Forum, joined Juliette Foster, Journalist, The European Magazine on Business Matters to discuss everything about today’s volatile geopolitical landscape.

published 14 - April - 2026
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Special edition - From Awareness to Action: Prostate Cancer, Community and the Case for Early Detection

In this 'special edition' episode, Steve​ Durbin sits down with Oliver Kemp, for an honest discussion about prostate cancer, from who’s at risk and recognising early signs to why timely action can make such a meaningful difference.

published 31 - March - 2026
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Focus, Adapt, Evolve: Serving up the secrets of success

In this episode, Steve Durbin speaks with Martina Navratilova about resilience and adapting to challenges in both her professional and personal life.

published 24 - March - 2026
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Global Threats, UK Blind Spots: Cyber Resilience in a Volatile World

Discover how geopolitical instability, economic pressure and evolving cyber threats are reshaping UK resilience, and why organisations must prioritise readiness and continuous response planning.

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The Sound of Leadership: What Orchestras can Teach Modern Business Teams

In this episode, conductor and comedian Rainer Hersch joins Steve Durbin to reveal what leaders in cybersecurity and business can learn from the inner workings of an orchestra.

published 17 - March - 2026
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Your Brain Unlocked: What Every Leader Needs to Know

In this episode, Steve Durbin sits with Dr. Helena Boschi to explore how the human brain responds to sustained pressure, change, and what that means for how we lead and make informed decisions.

published 10 - March - 2026
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Decrypting Tomorrow: Quantum Computing and the Race to Reinvent Cybersecurity

In this episode Steve Durbin sits with Jaya Baloo, COO & CISO at AISLE, to explore the coming quantum shift and what it truly means for encryption and the future of digital security.

published 03 - March - 2026
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BONUS: Getting Inside the Mind of the Hacker

In this bonus episode, we’re resharing a discussion in which Steve Durbin, Chief Executive of the ISF, speaks with Raffael Marty from his time at ConnectWise.

published 17 - February - 2026
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How Quantum and Geopolitics Are Redefining Resilience

In this feature episode Steve Durbin rejoins Juliette Foster on 'Business Matters' (Bloomberg TV) to highlight the critical cyber risks set to define 2026.

published 10 - February - 2026
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Why Government–Business Unity Is Critical to Global Cyber Defence

In this must listen to episode, Steve Durbin sits with Sir Jeremy Fleming, Director of GCHQ, the UK’s Intelligence, Cyber and Security Agency to explore the new global order and how the cyber threat landscape has evolved into one of greater sophistication and far‑reaching impact.

published 03 - February - 2026
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The Insider Threat Playbook: Reducing Risky Behaviour Before It Starts

In this episode, Steve Durbin sits down with Tom Hardin, Ex-FBI informant, to explore why trusted employees can become insider threats and how culture and pressure shape that risk.

published 27 - January - 2026
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Emerging Threats for 2026: Q&A

In this episode, ISF Chief Executive Steve Durbin returns to address the key questions shaping 2026 for a live…

published 20 - January - 2026
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The Best Of ISF Podcast: Ten Years in Review

This special episode brings together highlights featuring global leaders, offering a rich reflection on how far we’ve come and the insights that will guide us into the decade ahead.

published 13 - January - 2026
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How Quantum, Supply Chains, and Geopolitics Are Redefining Resilience

Recently, Steve Durbin joined Juliette Foster on Business Matters to share his thoughts on the cyber threats for 2026 and to unpack how quantum technology, supply-chain fragility and global geopolitics are reshaping organisational resilience.

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Emerging Threats for 2026

In this episode, Steve Durbin outlines proactive steps security leaders can take to anticipate and counter the emerging threats of 2026.

published 17 - December - 2025
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Cyber on the Ground: Building Resilience in a Fragmented Landscape

Steve Durbin speaks with Yolanda Williams, Cybersecurity State Coordinator for CISA in Florida, to explore the reality of securing critical infrastructure in a state where natural disasters, decentralised systems, and limited resources collide.

published 09 - December - 2025
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Preparing for AI-Generated Cyber Intrusions

In this episode, Steve Durbin joins former BBC Royal and Diplomatic Correspondent Nicholas Witchell for a discussion focused on AI and…

published 02 - December - 2025
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Cyber Governance in Transition: What Boards Should Do Next

In this episode, Steve Durbin joins former BBC Royal and Diplomatic Correspondent Nicholas Witchell to explore how boards can move beyond merely recognising cyber threats.

published 25 - November - 2025
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BONUS: The New Front Lines: How we win the war on misinformation

Paul Bartel leverages his background with the Defense Intelligence Agency to discuss how businesses can tackle misinformation head-on.

published 18 - November - 2025
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Why Cybersecurity Should Be a Boardroom Conversation

Juliette Foster, Journalist, on Business Matters welcomes Steve Durbin for a compelling discussion on the urgent cybersecurity challenges organizations face today.

published 11 - November - 2025
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The Psychology of Media: Story, Identity, and Connection

In this episode, Steve speaks with Dr. Tunisha Singleton, Media Psychologist and Storytelling Strategist, about how media and technology help us build genuine human connection...

published 04 - November - 2025
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The Human Side of Cybersecurity: Empathy, Risk, and Resilience

Maria Ross keynote Speaker and Award-winning journalist welcomes Steve Durbin at the Empathy Podcast for a compelling discussion on the intersection of empathy and leadership.

published 21 - October - 2025
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Reputation in the Digital Age: Protecting Your Online Identity

Award-winning veteran journalist, with more than thirty years of public speaking experience

published 14 - October - 2025
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Why Cybersecurity Should Be a Boardroom Conversation

In a recent Bloomberg TV interview on Business Matters, our CEO Steve Durbin discussed critical cybersecurity challenges facing organisations today.

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Under Pressure: Leadership & High Performance

Performance psychologist and Athey Performance founder sharing strategies to align teams with purpose and unlock high performance

published 08 - October - 2025
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Human Connection in a Digital World

Steve Durbin speaks with psychologist Dr. Glen Moriarty, founder and CEO of Seven Cups, a free emotional support…

published 30 - September - 2025
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Leadership in a Changing World: Culture, People & Technology

Steve sits down with leadership coach Dr. Sam Adeyemi. Sam is a leadership expert who…

published 16 - September - 2025
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Turning AI Into Business Growth

In this episode, Steve talks with Dr. Kathleen Perley, founder of DemystifAI and AI advisor…

published 09 - September - 2025
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Cultivating Trust: Engaging Boards on Cyber and AI

In this episode, Steve speaks with Karena Man, Senior Client Partner at Korn Ferry, about how CISOs influencing the board...

published 02 - September - 2025
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Balancing Human Insight with AI in Marketing

Steve and Debra talk about what goes into creating a marketing plan that the C-suite can get on board with...

published 26 - August - 2025
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Privacy in the Age of AI and Surveillance

Baroness Kidron joins Steve Durbin to explore the critical importance of privacy in the age of AI and surveillance capitalism, and why...

published 19 - August - 2025
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Summer Listening: Cyber, CISO and the Board: Turning awareness into action

As digital transformation becomes embedded in every aspect of business, the relationship between CISOs and…

published 05 - August - 2025
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Summer Listening: AI for Good: EU's vision

Artificial Intelligence has become an increasingly important part of society. If regulated correctly, it can…

published 29 - July - 2025
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Summer Listening: Seán Doyle - Cyber and the World Economy

Seán Doyle sits down with Steve Durbin to discuss the role of public-private partnerships in the cyber landscape.

published 22 - July - 2025
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Summer Listening: Future-Proofing Our Supply Chains

Technology has transformed supply chains into complex, interconnected ecosystems that demand stronger security. Listen as…

published 14 - July - 2025
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Leading with Vision and Empathy: The North Star Approach

Steve Durbin is joined by leadership strategist Jimmie Lee for a powerful conversation on what it truly means to lead cybersecurity teams.

published 02 - July - 2025
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Cyber on the Ground: Building Resilience in a Fragmented Landscape

Steve Durbin speaks with Yolanda Williams, Cybersecurity State Coordinator for CISA in Florida, to explore the reality of securing critical infrastructure in a state where natural disasters, decentralised systems, and limited resources collide.

published 24 - June - 2025
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Infosecuirty Magazine: Why Cybersecurity's Future Demands Business Savvy and C-Suite Alignment

In a recent conversation with InfoSecurity, Paul Watts, Distinguished Analyst at ISF, explores how cyber security teams are evolving to better align with business goals.

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The Silent Risk in M&A: Cyber Security Oversights That Cost Millions

Steve Durbin and Tavia Gilbert unpack how cyber reviews fit into mergers and acquisitions, why they matter, and what can go wrong without them.

published 17 - June - 2025
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Security Middle East Conference 2025 | Interview with Daniel Norman

In this insightful conversation, Daniel Norman, Regional Director EMEA at ISF shares his expert perspective on the current state of the security landscape, offering valuable observations on emerging trends and challenges.

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Rest After Stress: The Psychology of High Performance

Psychotherapist Lauren Farina joins Steve Durbin to explore how cyber security professionals can manage stress, high expectations, and the burden of digital responsibility in a demanding landscape.

published 10 - June - 2025
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Retaining Control: Empowering Innovation Without Losing Sight of Risk

Explore how ethical AI, governance, and leadership can drive innovation without losing control in today’s fast-changing tech landscape.

published 03 - June - 2025
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Leading Through Disruption: Managing Risk and Resilience

Learn how cyber security leaders can manage stress, embrace a growth mindset, and lead with resilience in a rapidly changing world.

published 20 - May - 2025
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Preserving Humanity in the Age of AI

Explore how business leaders can preserve human values, the synergy between AI and humans, and the importance of maintaining human oversight over AI.

published 13 - May - 2025
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Christopher Sestito - Stay Ahead or Fall Behind: The AI Challenge for Modern Businesses

Explore Christopher Sestito's insights on AI's industry impact, regulatory hurdles, and essential strategies for business leaders.

published 06 - May - 2025
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Threat Horizon 2027: Grasping for Control

Explore ISF's 'Threat Horizon 2027' report with insights from Steve Durbin on emerging cyber threats and resilience strategies.

published 29 - April - 2025
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The Human Advantage: Thriving in Times of Technological Uncertainty

Join Steve Durbin and Tavia Gilbert as they delve into how AI and emerging technologies are reshaping our world.

published 14 - April - 2025
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BONUS: Ellie Pavlick - Balancing the Risk and Reward of AI

Ellie Pavlick highlights the urgent need for AI regulation and the imperative for organisations to develop the talent required to effectively implement AI.

published 08 - April - 2025
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BONUS: Federico Varese - Organised Crime Goes Digital

Prof. Varese shares account from his fieldwork in criminal gangs over the last three decades to explore what the future holds for cybercrime.

published 01 - April - 2025
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Deborah A. Coviello - The Drop In Podcast: Steve Durbin's Journey and Advice to Leaders

Steve Durbin guests on The Drop In CEO, unveiling his journey from literature to cybersecurity and offers strategies for navigating cyber threats and business challenges.

published 25 - March - 2025
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Neil Coole - Building Trust and Transparency in your Supply Chain

Neil Coole delves into the importance of understanding your supply chain story to enhance security and protect your brand.

published 18 - March - 2025
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Kailyn Johnson - C-Suite Guide to Navigating Cyber and Geopolitical Risks

Kailyn Johnson delves into the democratisation of the dark web and its implications for organisations.

published 11 - March - 2025
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Robot Ethics and the Future of Human-Robot Interaction

Dr. Kate Darling discusses how emotional connections with robots will impact the way businesses engage with their customers.

published 25 - February - 2025
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Harnessing the Power of Positivity

Actionable advice for self-care and leadership amidst the high demands of the cyber security sector with best-selling author, Paul McKenna.

published 18 - February - 2025
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Embedding a Culture of Innovation into Everyone's DNA

Disney's former Head of Innovation and Creativity offers strategies for fostering a culture of creativity, risk-taking and collaboration.

published 10 - February - 2025
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The Power of Choice

Leadership expert and author, Sylvie di Giusto, shares her five-step framework for developing modern emotional intelligence.

published 04 - February - 2025
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Leadership in the Face of Chaos: Preparing your team for the unexpected

Brian Luther shares the most valuable lessons he learned from a career spanning over 30 years in the U.S. Navy and at the Pentagon.

published 27 - January - 2025
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The New Front Lines: How we win the war on misinformation

Paul Bartel leverages his background with the Defense Intelligence Agency to discuss how businesses can tackle misinformation head-on.

published 20 - January - 2025
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A Sneak Peak into Season 32...

Tune in to a collection of standout segments and impactful moments to look forward to in the upcoming season of the ISF Podcast.

published 13 - January - 2025
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Emerging Threats for 2025: Q&A

ISF CEO Steve Durbin answers the questions that are top-of-mind for our live audience of security and business leaders ahead of 2025.

published 13 - January - 2025
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Emerging Threats for 2025

Prepare for 2025’s cybersecurity challenges: AI-driven threats, supply chain risks, and fragmented regulation with ISF CEO Steve Durbin.

published 17 - December - 2024
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Cyber Security under a Trump Administration: Thoughts on what lies ahead

Steve Durbin discusses the rising importance of cyber resilience, urging businesses to build societal trust amidst political uncertainty.

published 10 - December - 2024
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Why Cyber Security Deserves a Place in the Political Spotlight

ISF CEO Steve Durbin discusses the overlooked role of cyber security in political manifestos, highlighting its importance to national security.

published 03 - December - 2024
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Stephen Pritchard - Insights Interview: Geopolitics and cyber threats, with ISF's Steve Durbin

Appearing as a guest speaker on Security Insights Podcast, ISF CEO Steve Durbin explores if the current level of cyber threats could spill over into a more overt conflict.

published 26 - November - 2024
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BONUS: Raffael Marty - Getting Inside the Mind of the Hacker

Raffael Marty, EVP at ConnectWise shares strategies for better understanding the hacker mindset, and securing data integrity.

published 19 - November - 2024
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BONUS: Dr. Christopher Hand - Nurturing Online Wellbeing: Exploring digital identities

Psychologist Dr. Christopher Hand discusses trust, combating workplace victim blaming, and maintaining online wellbeing in the digital age.

published 14 - November - 2024
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BONUS: Geoff White - From Cartels to Crypto: The digitalisation of money laundering

ISF CEO Steve Durbin, and investigative journalist Geoff White, discuss the interplay between levels of cybercrime.

published 05 - November - 2024
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BONUS: Brian Lord - AI, Mis- and Disinformation in Election Fraud and Education

In this throwback conversation, Brian Lord, CEO of PGI gives his assessment of AI cyber security threats during election years.

published 29 - October - 2024
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Clean Energy: A CISO’s perspective on cyber security challenges

David Weisong, CIO at Energy Solutions, shares his experiences overseeing a full migration of the company’s security framework.

published 22 - October - 2024
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Threat Horizon: Net gains and losses

auDA's Sophie Mitchell, Mathew Finch from Oxford's Said School, and Mark Ward explore the potential shifts in internet governance and examine who stands to benefit or lose.

published 14 - October - 2024
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Learning to Build a Tech-Savy but Emotionally Intelligent Team

Steve Satterwhite, founder of Entelligence, shares some simple but fresh ideas about why putting people first is the key to successful cyber security.

published 14 - October - 2024
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Deep Fakes: An attack on human identity

Dr. Andrew Newell, Chief Scientific Officer at iProov outlines how deepfakes threaten to undermine digital communications and identity systems

published 07 - October - 2024
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Unity Amid the Chaos: Finding common ground in a de-stabilised society

Steve Durbin explores how technology; social media are shaping new forms of division defined by personal identities, interests, and beliefs.

published 24 - September - 2024
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Laying Down the Law on AI

Policy experts and AI wranglers take a look at the ever-growing roster of AI regulations in order to find ways for organisations to cope.

published 24 - September - 2024
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The AI-Quantum Revolution: Today, tomorrow and the future

Steve Durbin discusses the impact of quantum computing on cybersecurity and the need for enterprises to prioritise legacy technology updates.

published 17 - September - 2024
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Rethinking Technology Governance in a Fragmented Policy Landscape

ISF CEO Steve Durbin shares his perspectives on how today's global dynamics are shaping the future of technology policy.

published 10 - September - 2024
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Redefining Data to Reinvent the Market Economy

Professor at the London School of Economics, Jannis Kallinikos, challenges the traditional view of data as mere statistics.

published 03 - September - 2024
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Desert Island Risks

Seasoned security leader, Petri Koivisto and current CISO at Finnish steel giant Outokumpu shares the experiences that have shaped his career.

published 03 - September - 2024
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Creating a CERT on Jersey - Part Two

Matt Palmer  Director of the Jersey Cybersecurity Centre shares his future plans for the centre now that it is fully operational.

published 26 - August - 2024
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SUMMER LISTENING: Kate Montague - How to Rethink, Reset, and Refocus

In the final episode of our summer listening series, we revisit Kate Montague’s approach to managing stress using the RAIN method.

published 26 - August - 2024
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Creating a CERT on Jersey - part one

Matt Palmer, Director of the Jersey CERT explains the circumstances that led to its necessity and the efforts involved in its fruition.

published 20 - August - 2024
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SUMMER LISTENING: Professor Brian Cox — Intellectual Honesty & Learning to be a Leader

Professor Brian Cox, professor of Particle Physics explains the role self-awareness has in effective communication of complex, abstract ideas.

published 20 - August - 2024
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SUMMER LISTENING: Steve Wozniak in conversation with Steve Durbin

Apple Co-founder, Steve Wozniak reflects on journey into Big Tech. He voices concerns about large companies stifling creativity by acquiring startups.

published 13 - August - 2024
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SUMMER LISTENING: Sir Bob Geldof - Challenging Orthodox Thinking

Sir Bob Geldof, rock star and philanthropist ​​reflects on a world gone wrong and how we as a society can offset the imbalance.

published 09 - August - 2024
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Dear Infosec: Can you help?

In this first episode of the re-branded podcast, host Mark Ward, and his guests delve into Infosec problems submitted by listeners.

published 06 - August - 2024
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ISF Interview: Steve Durbin talks cyber resilience and business continuity

ISF Chief Executive Steve Durbin offers his perspective on the global landscape and prepares organisations for the challenges ahead.

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How to be a BISO

BISOs' Adriano Pinheiro and Sneja Ahuja share their perspectives on what a BISO does and how it differs from organisation to organisation

published 23 - July - 2024
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Safeguarding Your Business in Times of Instability

Interviewed by Julie MacDonald of The European, Steve discusses the need for organisations to prioritise the protection of their crown jewels

published 23 - July - 2024
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Risky Business: Aligning enterprise strategy with human-centred security

Interviewed by Julie Macdonald, Steve Durbin shares his thoughts on the intricate balance between risk management, regulations, and growth.

published 16 - July - 2024
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Unseen and Unheard: Creating an inclusive culture through storytelling

Diversity expert Ruth Rathblott joins ISF CEO Steve Durbin to discuss how storytelling fosters inclusive workspaces for hidden disabilities.

published 09 - July - 2024
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Celebrating Infosec and the Podcast

Drawing on testimonies from previous guests, this milestone episode celebrates all the ways InfoSec can enhance the lives of those in the field.

published 09 - July - 2024
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The Art of Cultural Fluency in the Workplace

In part two of their conversation, Jane and Steve discuss the need to adapt behaviours in multicultural settings for innovation and cohesion.

published 02 - July - 2024
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Leading From Afar: Getting the best out of our remote workforce

Jane Hyun, Global leadership strategist and author, joins ISF CEO Steve Durbin to discuss tactics for enhancing remote team performance.

published 25 - June - 2024
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A Regular Review of Research

In a follow-up episode to 'Research in 2024', ISF's Richard Absalom and Mark Ward outline what can be expected from new research initiatives.

published 25 - June - 2024
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The Unicorn Leader's Self-help Guide to Confidence and Competence

Amanda Fennell, CISO & CIO at Prove, joins ISF CEO Steve Durbin to discuss the role of emotional intelligence in cybersecurity leadership.

published 11 - June - 2024
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Exploring Careers: Security audit

Experienced security auditors - Aarti Ajay, Einat Segal, and Deepak Uniyal join Mark Ward, and Bharat Thakrar to discuss auditing; the role, responsibilities, and misconceptions.

published 11 - June - 2024
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From Cartels to Crypto: The digitalisation of money laundering

Steve Durbin, ISF CEO, and investigative tech journalist Geoff White, discuss the interplay between levels of cybercrime, from nation-states to Cartels.

published 04 - June - 2024
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BISO or CISO - Which one should you hire?

Recruitment expert Ross Tanner discusses with ISF analysts Paul Watts and Mark Ward when organisations should hire a BISO versus a CISO.

published 28 - May - 2024
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Good Cyber Strategy Begins and Ends with Alignment to Business Priorities

Journalist Juliette Foster interviews ISF CEO Steve Durbin about the importance of aligning cybersecurity strategy with business goals.

published 28 - May - 2024
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Becoming a Leader of the Future: Learning to let go and trust your gut

Thom Dennis, Founder of Serenity in Leadership, discusses the complexities of modern organisational leadership with ISF CEO Steve Durbin.

published 21 - May - 2024
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Fuelling Business Growth With Modern Security Leadership

Award-winning CISO, Erik Avakian, explores the evolving CISO role and shares practical advice to secure funding and drive decision-making.

published 14 - May - 2024
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Into the Breach: Exploring the British Library incident

ISF experts delve into a comprehensive discussion uncovering what went wrong and what can be learned from the devastating incident.

published 14 - May - 2024
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Boosting Business Success: Unleashing the potential of human and AI collaboration

ISF CEO Steve Durbin is joined by Tavia Gilbert to review how ISF's early predictions on AI's threat evolution have materialised.

published 30 - April - 2024
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AI Mis-and-Disinformation in Election Fraud and Education

Brian Lord and Steve Durbin discuss how AI could manipulate voter opinions through disinformation campaigns, urging source verification education to combat it.

published 23 - April - 2024
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The Promise and Peril of AI

AI is everywhere, but is it a security risk? Technology Expert Yngvar Ugland and ISF analysts Lee Munson, Mark Ward and Luka Ivezic debate AI's impact on information security.

published 23 - April - 2024
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Lost in Regulation: Bridging the cyber security gap for SMEs

Former civil servant Brian Lord examines the cybersecurity challenges and regulatory hurdles for SMEs within government supply chains.

published 16 - April - 2024
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The AI Playbook: Leveraging machine learning to grow your business

AI expert Eric Siegel explores the considerations needed to ensure these powerful tools deliver tangible results.

published 09 - April - 2024
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From CISO to BISO and Back Again

Security leader Erhan Temurkan joins ISF analysts to dissect his journey from BISO to CISO and unpack what he saw along the way.

published 09 - April - 2024
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Cyber Warfare and Democracy in the Age of Artificial Intelligence

Mariarosaria Taddeo of Oxford University and ISF CEO Steve Durbin discuss the transformative effects of AI on cyber warfare and democracy.

published 02 - April - 2024
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Bonus: Cyber Exercises: Fail to prepare, prepare to fail

Daniel Norman, Regional Director EMEA at the ISF, and Steve Durbin share insights on implementing resilient cyber incident response plans.

published 26 - March - 2024
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Handling and Hiring an Infosec Team

Keith Price, CISO at National Highways, Paul Watts and Mark Ward from the ISF, explore strategies for hiring and supervising Infosec teams.

published 26 - March - 2024
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Changing Behaviours: Why facts alone don't work

Tali Sharot, Director of Affective Brain Lab, and Steve Durbin, explore behaviours and optimism bias in cybersecurity communication.

published 18 - March - 2024
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The Future of Information Integrity

Nina Schick delves into the geopolitical impact of generative AI, and the need to safeguard data integrity in vital sectors like healthcare.

published 11 - March - 2024
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Why Women Stay in Cyber

Leading ladies at the ISF: Francesca Williamson, Hui Shan, Esther Schagen-van Luit and Shreya Tiwari share why they choose to stay in cyber.

published 11 - March - 2024
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Cyber Threats: Old and new

Paul Ducklin, Alice Violet, Lee Munson, and Mark Ward explore the evolution of ransomware and cyber scams since its emergence in 1989.

published 04 - March - 2024
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The Never Normal

Peter Hinssen, a returning guest, discusses the future of work, emphasising leaders' role in guiding their workforce through constant change.

published 04 - March - 2024
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Leadership Empathy and the Cultural Balance Sheet

Christy Pretzinger, WriterGirl's CEO discusses how her kindness-driven business has grown into a thriving culture of staff empowerment.

published 27 - February - 2024
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Empowering Your Team: Lessons from a sports coach

Coach Randy Jackson, also a business consultant, discusses the significance of relationships, and shared vision in team management.

published 19 - February - 2024
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Taking the Lead in Security

Security lead Lisa Burns-Peake and former CISO Paul Watts discuss tactics for nurturing beneficial connections as a new security leader.

published 19 - February - 2024
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Bonus: Rethinking the Paradigm of Artificial and Human Intelligence

In this bonus episode from Season 17 of the ISF Podcast, author Mo Gawdat explores how humanity can navigate an AI-driven world

published 13 - February - 2024
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Threat Horizon: All threats, all the time

Paul Watts, Richard Absalom, and Mark Ward discuss dire predictions and coping strategies in this podcast focused on Threat Horizon.

published 05 - February - 2024
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Quantum Computing: The promise and the threat

Konstantinos Karagiannis discusses the potential business benefits and challenges of the new 'quantum revolution'.

published 05 - February - 2024
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The World Economy: Politics & regulations intertwined

Nicholas Witchell and Steve Durbin explore the impact of data, regulations and geopolitics in relation to the world economy

published 30 - January - 2024
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AXA Spreads the Word on Security Careers

Florence Bertaut, and Benoît de Lavignère representing AXA's French division, discuss the company's educational outreach efforts.

published 22 - January - 2024
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Geopolitical Conflict: Are CISOs ready to tackle the impact?

Back in the cyber hot seat, Steve Durbin offers CISOs essential advice on protecting business continuity amidst geopolitical turmoil

published 22 - January - 2024
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Thriving in Uncertainty

Beau Lotto outlines how the principles of play and diversity can empower security leaders to unlock transformative change.

published 15 - January - 2024
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Research in 2024

Looking ahead to 2024, the ISF research team sit down to reveal what themes they will be looking into over the next 12 months

published 09 - January - 2024
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A sneak peek into Season 24

The ISF Podcast returns for Season 24. In this week's episode, we're previewing some of the best moments from the episodes you’ll be hearing.

published 09 - January - 2024
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Emerging Threats for 2024

ISF Chief Executive Steve Durbin explores proactive measures to help security and business leaders to stay ahead of 2024's emerging threats.

published 19 - December - 2023
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AI and US: The path ahead

In this fireside chat, Steve Durbin and Kavitha Kadambi, CISO at Infosys explore the various facets of AI adoption.

published 12 - December - 2023
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Spreading the Word on Good Books

Cyber specialist Alice Violet and ISF analysts sit down to debate books on hackers, surveillance capitalism and Infosec principles.

published 11 - December - 2023
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Data Dilemmas: Outsmarting the perils of AI

Steve Durbin delves into the considerations security leaders must address with the board to ensure secure and effective AI implementation.

published 05 - December - 2023
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Once Upon a Time in Infosec

Rouzbeh Barzegar explains to Mark Ward and Paul Watts, how he developed an epic tale of King Infosecius to illustrate the concept of people, processes, and technology.

published 28 - November - 2023
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AI for Good: EU's vision

Dragos Tudorache joins Steve Durbin to discuss the European Union's work on AI regulation for the greater good of society.

published 28 - November - 2023
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Resiliency is all about PACE

Clinton Mixon, Information Lead at The New School, discusses his work on making New York the most cyber-resilient city in the world

published 20 - November - 2023
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The Power of Inclusive Leadership

Former Prime Minister of Denmark Helle Thorning-Schmidt explores the responsibility of leaders to uphold the trust that people place in them.

published 14 - November - 2023
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The Great CISO Debate

Experience an exclusive session from the ISF World Congress in Rotterdam where an accomplished panel of experts dissect the role of the CISO.

published 14 - November - 2023
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NIS 2: Decoding EU's cyber security game plan

Steve Durbin sits down with Tavia Gilbert to break down the requirements of the EU's upcoming cyber security directive.

published 08 - November - 2023
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Predicting the Unpredictable

Dr. Christopher Ankersen  joins Steve Durbin to discuss why global security professionals should apply caution in examining threats in isolation

published 31 - October - 2023
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Keeping the Bad Guys at Bay

Raj Samani, Chief Scientist at Rapid7 joins ISF Analysts Lee Munson and Mark Ward to debate the best way security leaders and their teams can prioritise patching.

published 31 - October - 2023
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Security is Everyone's Problem

Daniel Norman and Steve Durbin discuss the need for security leaders to move away from scare-mongering and towards employee education

published 17 - October - 2023
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Threat Horizon: Exploring the futures

Dr. Matt Finch joins Max Brook and Mark Ward to explain the power scenarios in helping security practitioners see beyond present problems

published 10 - October - 2023
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People in Cyber: Rise of the BISO

Daniel Norman, joins Steve Durbin to discuss the emergence of the BISO role in the security workforce.

published 10 - October - 2023
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Cyber Exercises: Fail to prepare, prepare to fail

Daniel Norman, Regional Director EMEA at the ISF, joins Steve Durbin to discuss how to bring your business continuity plans to life.

published 03 - October - 2023
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Threat Horizon: Putting the social in media

ISF researchers and analysts Arunoshi Singh, Scott Binning and Ayesha Sayyad educate Mark Ward on living with social media and how these platforms might evolve

published 26 - September - 2023
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Entering the New Cyber Era: The evolution of legislation in addressing emerging technologies

Dr. Andrea Matwyshyn joins Steve Durbin to address the legal perspectives tech innovators need to consider in the new cyber era.

published 26 - September - 2023
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Security Professionals Aren't on Public Boards: What's holding them back?

Dr. Andrea Matwyshyn explores the robust conversations needed to get CISOs onto boards and improve the international harmonisation of cyber.

published 19 - September - 2023
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Threat Horizon: All about AI

AI can be a useful tool, in the right hands. Performer and broadcaster LJ Rich explores the promise and peril of AI tech tools

published 13 - September - 2023
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The Best of the ISF Podcast
2023... So Far

As we enter Season 22, we thought we would take a moment to reflect a handful of notable discussions from our guest interviews so far.

published 12 - September - 2023
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Threat Horizon: Future gazing

ISF Analysts Max Brook, Richard Absalom and Mark Ward debate how the uncertainties born from emerging threats will shape the near future. 

published 29 - August - 2023
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Summer Listening: Deborah Wheeler - Security Beyond the Checkbox

Deborah Wheeler, CISO at Delta Airlines, joins Steve Durbin to offer insight into balancing compliance and security priorities.

published 29 - August - 2023
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Summer Listening: CISOs, Warfare, and Technology in the Spotlight

Nicholas Witchell puts Steve Durbin in the 'cyber hot-seat' to face a series of questions on the supply chain impact of the Ukraine conflict.

published 22 - August - 2023
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How History and Language Influence Infosec

Historian Jemina Lakka-Kolari joins Paul Watts and Mark Ward to delve into the significance of diverse interpretations of words in security.

published 15 - August - 2023
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Takeaways From the Security Middle East Conference 2023

Daniel Norman highlights his key takeaways from the Security Middle East Conference; exploring what the future holds for cyber in the region.

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Navigating the Business Interruption Minefield begins with simplification

Steve Durbin is joined by Tavia Gilbert to share his updated views on the ever increasing intensity of the threat landscape.

published 01 - August - 2023
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Exploring Careers: Security testing

Security testers Glenn Wilkinson, Alex Miller and Barney Muller talk about what the job entails at different seniority levels.

published 01 - August - 2023
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Taking an Ecosystem Approach to Cyber Resilience

Dr. Keri Pearlson, discusses her research, which focuses on building a cyber resilient ecosystem.

published 25 - July - 2023
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What ChatGPT did next

Cloud security engineer - Patricia Rodrigues talks about how she uses AI-driven tools and debates what their ultimate impact will be

published 18 - July - 2023
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How EU Legislation is Supporting Secure Innovation in Security

Despina offers her insights into European Union policies aimed at fostering stronger Cyber Resilience for businesses who operate globally.

published 18 - July - 2023
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What They Don't Teach in CISO school

Experienced CISO Ralph Benton from media group Schibsted talks about the lessons he's learned on the job and how he applies them.

published 04 - July - 2023
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How Copenhagen Is Tackling the Cyber Skills Shortage

Lisa Hartmann-Jensen from the City of Copenhagen's administrative office explores solving the challenge of attracting individuals to cyber.

published 20 - June - 2023
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Threat Horizon 2025 - The Future of International Relations: Ideologies clash in the hyperconnected world

Steve explores the cyber risks and uncertainties brought about by the convergence of politics, technology and international relations.

published 20 - June - 2023
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Threat Horizon 2025 - The Future of Data: Regulation plays catch-up with value

Steve Durbin explores the potential challenges around confidentiality, availability and quality as the growth of data turns exponential.

published 13 - June - 2023
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Exploring Careers in Information Security

ISF Principals Bharat Thakrar and Mark Chaplin begin a series dedicated to shedding light on a career in information security.

published 06 - June - 2023
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Threat Horizon 2025 - The Future of Work: Location and technology collide

Steve Durbin shares recommendations on the proactive measures you can take to mitigate the potential risks of adopting hybrid working.

published 06 - June - 2023
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Threat Horizon 2025 - Scenarios for an Uncertain Future

Steve Durbin sets the stage for the creation of Threat Horizon 2025, offering guidance for both security and business-focussed audiences.

published 30 - May - 2023
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Sharing Perspectives on Cloud Controls

ISF analysts are joined by Ross Johnston from Bupa to provide his perspective on cloud services: how they are used and the risks they pose.

published 16 - May - 2023
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The Business Leader's Guide to Culture and Innovation

Steve Durbin reflects on the key advice for business leaders from Season 18, exploring building resilient teams and adapting to technologies.

published 16 - May - 2023
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Balancing the Risk and Reward of AI

Ellie Pavlick highlights the need for regulation in AI and how organisations implementing it must also develop the talent to support it.

published 09 - May - 2023
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Engaging the Workforce for Holistic Security

Ganesh Krishnan, a cyber security expert with over 25 years of experience at companies such as…

published 02 - May - 2023
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AI Futures: Assessing the danger

Having explored the staggering potential of AI in business, the focus now shifts to questioning…

published 02 - May - 2023
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Breaking Through the Virtual Wall With Effective Communication

CEO and Founder of Cascade Insights, Sean Campbell, explores how to make the most out of the remote working environment.

published 25 - April - 2023
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Mapping the Future of AI

David Sully from Advai explores how the use of AI is likely to shape the future of our professional and personal lives.

published 18 - April - 2023
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When InfoSec Gets Personal

Patric Versteeg, CISO at Viterra, shares insights into the softer skills that have become imperative to the role of the security lead.

published 04 - April - 2023
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Achieving Cyber Resilience Through Influence

Drawing from his experience as a former CISO, Jim Routh delves into the ways that CISOs can lead their organisations towards cyber resilience.

published 04 - April - 2023
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Managing Human Behaviour to Keep Pace With Digital Acceleration

Dr. Christopher Hand returns to explore online human behaviour, focussing on the post-pandemic consequences of digital acceleration.

published 28 - March - 2023
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Nurturing Online Wellbeing: Exploring digital identities

Dr. Christopher Hand, Senior Lecturer in Psychology, gives his take on how society can help individuals to thrive in the digital age.

published 21 - March - 2023
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How Governance Can Guide the CISO

Director of Cyber Security Governance at Danone, Lies Alderlieste, offers advice to security leaders embarking on a governance journey.

published 21 - March - 2023
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Threat Roundup: Securing information in an uncertain landscape

Steve Durbin returns to the cyber hot-seat as journalist Kirsty Lang hosts a discussion reflecting on the exponential threats of today.

published 14 - March - 2023
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Rethinking Risk to Empower Innovation

Mo Gawdat returns to provide his perspective on balancing a culture of security with the continuous need to innovate.

published 07 - March - 2023
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Taking the Measure of Governance

Iwona Muchin from ISF Member Ageas highlights the work, data and metrics needed to ensure governance serves an organisation as well as it can.

published 01 - March - 2023
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Rethinking the Paradigm of Artificial and Human Intelligence

Mo Gawdat raises awareness on how we as humans can begin navigating a world already governed by artificial intelligence.

published 01 - March - 2023
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The Democratisation of Cybercrime

Expert in online culture and technology, Jamie Bartlett, shares insights from his journey across the far reaches of the dark web.

published 14 - February - 2023
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Scenarios for an Uncertain Future

ISF Analysts explore the changes in Threat Horizon, expanding on how to make the most out of the report in your organisational context.

published 07 - February - 2023
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Cyber, CISO and the Board: Turning awareness into action

Leveraging her vast boardroom experience, Margaret Heffernan provides advice on ensuring best practice is cascaded through the business.

published 07 - February - 2023
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The Battle Against Burnout: Shaping a vibrant digital work culture

Executive Director at Red Thread Institute of Digital Culture, Rahaf Harfoush, shares her insights into how today's remote workers can thrive.

published 01 - February - 2023
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The Evolution of ISF Research: Insights into the future

Listen as the ISF research team explain the topics selected for 2023 and outline how the rhythm of research releases is changing this year.

published 24 - January - 2023
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Future-Proofing Our Supply Chains

Omera Khan explores the importance of improved collaboration and increased visibility in supply chain management.

published 24 - January - 2023
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Navigating the Intersection of People and Technology

This season preview provides a glimpse into the compelling discussions Steve has had around key topics at the top of the board agenda.

published 18 - January - 2023
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The Case for Social Responsibility in AI

Kicking-off the new season of the ISF Podcast, journalist Nicholas Witchell returns to put Steve Durbin back in the 'cyber hot-seat'. 

published 10 - January - 2023
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Emerging Threats for 2023

ISF Chief Executive Steve Durbin uses this ISF Podcast to explore how you can be proactive and get ahead of the cyber threats of 2023.

published 13 - December - 2022
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The Future of the Security Leader: Integrating security with business

Steve Durbin takes time to reflect on where CISOs are at today, and how the role is likely to evolve in the near and distant future.

published 06 - December - 2022
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Keeping Abreast of Cyber Threats

ISF Analysts further expand upon the latest ISF Threat Intelligence: React and prepare report to talk everything 'threats'.

published 29 - November - 2022
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Combining Data and Culture to Attract and Retain Talent

Tim Carmichael explores making complex topics digestible for the board, creating strong cultures globally, and the ongoing fight for talent.

published 29 - November - 2022
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Benchmark in Bitesize

Gain a comprehensive view of how ISF can support you in reviewing performance against your industry peers and industry frameworks.

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Risk Assessment in Bitesize

Gain a comprehensive view of how ISF can enhance your team's ability to deliver actionable assessments of information risk.

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Standard of Good Practice in Bitesize

Gain a comprehensive view of how ISF can support you in building a strong foundation for business resilience.

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Supplier Security in Bitesize

Gain a comprehensive view of how ISF can support you in assessing your most critical suppliers to reduce your exposure to cyber risks.

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Getting Inside the Mind of the Hacker

Steve Durbin, Chief Executive of the ISF, sits down with Raffael Marty, Executive Vice President at ConnectWise.

published 22 - November - 2022
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Security Beyond the Checkbox

Deborah Wheeler discusses her journey to the role of CISO at Delta Airlines, and explores the balance of compliance and security priorities.

published 08 - November - 2022
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The Pragmatic Approach to Tackling Cybercrime

The panel delve into the CC-Driver project, and expand upon the new methods detailed in the report aimed at mitigating cybercrime in Europe.

published 01 - November - 2022
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Embedding Altruism into the Development of a Digital City

The Mayor of Greater Manchester (UK) discusses the ongoing pursuit of synergy between social and industrial progress in the city.

published 01 - November - 2022
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The Business Leader's Guide to Risk Management

Steve outlines how to cultivate a resilient security culture by balancing risk, opportunity and investment effectively.

published 25 - October - 2022
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CISOs, Warfare and Technology in the Spotlight

Journalist Nicholas Witchell puts Steve Durbin in the 'cyber hot-seat' for fifteen minutes of timely rapid-fire questions.

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CISOs, Warfare and Technology in the Spotlight

Journalist Nicholas Witchell puts Steve Durbin in the 'cyber hot-seat' to face fifteen minutes of timely rapid-fire questions.

published 18 - October - 2022
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Operational Opportunities

Thomas Wegner, ICS Cyber Security Lead at Yara, hones in on the pertinent questions surrounding the protection of industrial control systems.

published 18 - October - 2022
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Remodelling the Architecture Behind Trust

Founder and CEO of Nametag, Aaron Painter, reflects on the current challenges of trust and workplace culture in the remote world.

published 11 - October - 2022
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Why Cyber Awareness is Imperative

With the ISF Cyber Awareness Month programme underway, Steve Durbin explores how organisations can make themselves a less attractive target.

published 04 - October - 2022
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The Art of Governance

Espen Johansen and Arbnora Tahiri from Visma explore the challenges of acquiring and handling governance across hundreds of companies.

published 04 - October - 2022
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Cyber and the World Economy

Seán Doyle from the World Economic Forum discusses the current cyber landscape, tabletop exercises, and improving cyber security legislation.

published 27 - September - 2022
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The Best of the ISF Podcast
2022... So Far

As we look ahead to Season 14, we are looking back on the standout moments from our guest interviews during 2022 so far.

published 13 - September - 2022
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Getting Smart About Threats

ISF analysts debate the past and future of threat intelligence, and explore how you can stay one step ahead of the evolving threat landscape.

published 05 - August - 2022
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The Ethical Dilemma of AI & Innovation: Part two

Steve wraps up the second part of two episodes discussing the ethical dilemmas that are posed by AI and innovation.

published 26 - July - 2022
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The Ethical Dilemma of AI & Innovation: Part one

Steve explores how organisations can establish responsible practices that mitigate bias in the design and deployment of AI systems.

published 19 - July - 2022
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Threat Horizon 2024: Risk and reward

Amanda Hallett and Karan Randhawa from Maersk offer insight into how they use Threat Horizon in their internal threat monitoring systems.

published 14 - July - 2022
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published 12 - July - 2022
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Cyber, CISO and the Board: Security means business

Steve Durbin explores the five business priorities CISOs must be considering to ensure resilience through 2022 and beyond.

published 05 - July - 2022
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Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning Technologies

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Dirty Data Disrupts Business

The final episode in the Threat Horizon 2024 series, Steve explores issues that could arise from organisations' dependence on 'dirty data'.

published 14 - June - 2022
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Technology Choices Limit Control

Steve continues to break down the three major themes in the recently released Threat Horizon 2024: The disintegration of trust report.

published 07 - June - 2022
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Regulations Have Unintended Consequences

Steve delves into the first major theme, 'well-intentioned regulations can have unintended consequences', from Threat Horizon 2024.

published 31 - May - 2022
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The Disintegration of Trust

In this episode, Steve Durbin, ISF Chief Executive, sets the stage for the creation of this year's Threat Horizon 2024 report.

published 24 - May - 2022
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Reserving the CISOs Seat at the Table

Steve Durbin wraps up the latest ISF Podcast season, discussing the key takeaways and actionable insights for security professionals.

published 17 - May - 2022
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Protecting IP in a World of Streaming and Sharing

This episode expands upon the challenges of protecting content and intellectual property in today's rapidly expanding digital sphere.

published 10 - May - 2022
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Deepfakes and Biometric Security Breakthroughs

Brett Beranek discusses the potential, and challenges of biometrics in the security space, expanding upon deep neural networks and deep fakes.

published 03 - May - 2022
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Keeping the M&A Process Secure

Carl Allen discusses the resurgence of M&A activity and the need for CISOs and security to take a front seat in the process.

published 26 - April - 2022
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The Cost of the FUD Approach to Security

Mark Ralls touches on the current threat landscape, security by design, and developing the next generation of cybersecurity talent.

published 19 - April - 2022
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Threat Horizon 2024: The cyber crime underworld

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published 13 - April - 2022
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Threat Horizon 2024: How dirty is your data?

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published 13 - April - 2022
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Threat Horizon 2024: Themes and variations

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published 13 - April - 2022
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Threat Horizon 2024: Where did the trust go?

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published 13 - April - 2022
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Roles and Rewards: How the role of the CISO is changing

Paul Watts, Mark Ward and Monica Verma, sit down to discuss the life of the modern information security chief and how the role is changing.

published 06 - April - 2022
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Managing Cyber Threats During Times of Instability

Steve Durbin considers the key takeaways from Season 10 both in terms of business leadership, as well as the actionable insights.

published 06 - April - 2022
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Organised Crime Goes Digital

With first-hand account from his fieldwork in criminal gangs, Prof. Varese provides context to the history and evolution of organised crime.

published 29 - March - 2022
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How Global Law Enforcements Fight Cybercrime

Alexander Seger, head of the Cybercrime Division at the Council of Europe, shares insight into the evolving cybercrime landscape.

published 22 - March - 2022
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The Next Age of Uncertainty

Stephen Poloz, former Governor of the Bank of Canada, draws on his 40 years of experience and how to prepare for the Next Age of Uncertainty.

published 15 - March - 2022
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Building a Security Career in the SME Space

Marc Gibson goes in-depth on small businesses: the unique challenges, building a culture of security, and security career possibilities.

published 08 - March - 2022
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Is 5G Expanding the Cybersecurity Attack Surface?

Steve Durbin discusses 5G - what it is, what changes it will affect, and how we can keep our operations and supply chains secure.

published 01 - March - 2022
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The Impact of the Persistent CISO

David Thornewill, Group CISO at DHL, explores the role of the CISO, building security into a multinational corporation, and future-proofing.

published 22 - February - 2022
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Lessons Learned: How CISOs must change their strategy to survive

Greg van der Gaast joins Mark Ward to exchange thoughts on the future of the CISO role, and solving problems with unconventional approaches.

published 15 - February - 2022
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Zero Trust in Action: Using blockchain to keep out the bad actors

Lou Senko from Q2 explores the limitations of adopting zero trust, and how blockchain has created an almost impenetrable defence.

published 15 - February - 2022
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published 08 - February - 2022
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The Race for Tech Dominance

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published 25 - January - 2022
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published 20 - January - 2022
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published 11 - January - 2022
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Emerging Threats for 2022: Q&A

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published 21 - December - 2021
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ISF Annual Update: Emerging Threats for 2022

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published 14 - December - 2021
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Viviane Reding, former First Vice-President of the European Commission, sits down with ISF Chief Executive,…

published 07 - December - 2021
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Steve sits down with Rachel Botsman to discuss the nature of trust, how it differs from transparency, and how to build a culture of trust.

published 30 - November - 2021
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published 23 - November - 2021
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published 16 - November - 2021
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Minimising Your Attack Surface

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published 09 - November - 2021
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Steve Durbin, Chief Executive of the ISF, sits down in conversation with Professor Brian Cox,…

published 02 - November - 2021
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published 26 - October - 2021
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Paul Holland, Principal at the ISF and author of Securing Containers: Keeping pace with change…

published 22 - October - 2021
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published 21 - October - 2021
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ISF Senior Analysts Mark Ward and Emma Bickerstaffe in conversation with Simon Meech, Cyber Practice…

published 21 - October - 2021
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published 05 - October - 2021
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ISF Chief Executive, Steve Durbin speaks with Mel Shakir, Managing Director of DreamIt Ventures, about his…

published 28 - September - 2021
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Bob shares his perspective on digital transformation in the retail market, building a solid team, and effective communication within an organisation.

published 21 - September - 2021
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Steve and Jonathan discuss digital transformation, creating zero trust models that work, and the future of information security and Big Tech.

published 14 - September - 2021
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AI, Automation and Cyber Ethics: Changing the Game

Steve and Josh discuss the future of AI, how the workforce can survive the coming robot takeover, the role of government in regulating AI and cyber, and more.

published 24 - August - 2021
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Survive and Profit from Radical Change

Jonathan Brill explores institutional resilience, and highlights strategies to facilitate sound decision-making in the boardroom.

published 17 - August - 2021
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published 10 - August - 2021
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Digital Totalitarianism

Steve outlines the implications that communication platforms have on our data and privacy both now and into the future, the unambiguous definition of digital sovereignty...

published 03 - August - 2021
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Global Disruption

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published 27 - July - 2021
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Colonial Power - Todays Cybercrime Pandemic and what to do about it

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Steve Durbin and Tavia Gilbert close out the Authors Roundtable season,  discussing what they’ve learned from interviews over the past four episodes

published 06 - July - 2021
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Steve and Matt discuss the ups and downs of starting a business in 2020, inclusion in the boardroom and beyond, and what a functional executive team looks like.

published 29 - June - 2021
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Protecting the Crown Jewels - Todays Cybercrime Pandemic and what to do about it

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Exit Rich: The 6 P Method to Sell Your Business

Michelle speaks with Steve about her newest book, Exit Rich: The 6P Method to Sell Your Business for a Huge Profit. They discuss tips on selling a business at a profit, the current state of M&A business in the COVID...

published 22 - June - 2021
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3 Key Takeaways from Today’s cybercrime pandemic and what to do about it

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Steve and Michele discuss individual and collective risk appetite, the concept of a risk ecosystem, and how to build a culture and team that can balance your organization’s risk appropriately.

published 15 - June - 2021
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Why Startups Fail

Steve and Prof. Eisenmann look at examples of a few of the case studies included in his book that illustrate why some startups succeed, but most fail.

published 08 - June - 2021
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Talent Investment and Retention

Steve Durbin and Matthew talk about growing your skills, finding purpose at work, and what the workforce of the future might look like.

published 25 - May - 2021
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Generations in Security

In this episode, ISF Chief Executive, Steve Durbin considers cyber in the workplace from the…

published 18 - May - 2021
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Healthy Workplaces and Trust

ISF Chief Executive, Steve Durbin, is in conversation with Dr. Margaret Cunningham, principal research scientist…

published 11 - May - 2021
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Training for Digital Transformation

Thomas Erl discusses resolving the skills shortage, the purpose of vendor-neutral training, and the disruption of digital transformation.

published 04 - May - 2021
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published 27 - April - 2021
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ISF Chief Executive, Steve Durbin and producer Tavia Gilbert give an overview of the podcast’s…

published 26 - April - 2021
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Security Fails in a Brave New World

Steve Durbin, Chief Executive of the ISF and producer Tavia Gilbert discuss the ISF’s latest…

published 06 - April - 2021
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Identity is Weaponised

Steve Durbin, Chief Executive of the ISF and producer Tavia Gilbert discuss the ISF’s latest…

published 30 - March - 2021
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Machines Seize Control

Steve Durbin, Chief Executive of the ISF and producer Tavia Gilbert discuss the ISF’s latest…

published 23 - March - 2021
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Security at a Tipping Point

This podcast begins a special four-episode series focusing on the ISF’s latest report, Threat Horizon…

published 16 - March - 2021
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The Role of Analogue in the Digital Age

Steve Durbin speaks with Dr. Kate Stone, a "creative scientist" whose company, Novalia, blends art and…

published 16 - February - 2021
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The Age of Surveillance Capitalism

Steve Durbin, Chief Executive of the ISF, speaks with Harvard professor, social psychologist, philosopher, and…

published 09 - February - 2021
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How to Reset, Rethink and Refocus

Steve Durbin, Chief Executive of the ISF, speaks with actress, voice coach, leadership consultant, and…

published 02 - February - 2021
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Communication: Listen and be heard

Dame Inga Beale discusses the role that listening played when she became the first and only female CEO in Lloyd’s more than 300-year history.

published 26 - January - 2021
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Habits, Hope and Heroes in a Time of Crisis

Steve Durbin, Chief Executive of the ISF and Captain Shults discuss leadership during a time…

published 19 - January - 2021
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published 12 - January - 2021
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published 15 - December - 2020
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published 01 - December - 2020
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published 24 - November - 2020
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published 17 - November - 2020
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published 10 - November - 2020
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published 03 - November - 2020
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Leadership - Growing Good to Great

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published 29 - October - 2020
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As the ISF Podcast enters its fifth year of production, we’re celebrating with a listen…

published 27 - October - 2020
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published 22 - October - 2020
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published 15 - October - 2020
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Threat Horizon 2022: Digital and physical worlds collide

We are heading into an era, unlike anything we've ever seen before. Digital and physical…

published 13 - October - 2020
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The CEO vs the CISO: The security breach blame game

Organisations focus most of their efforts on meeting strategic and financial targets. However, the board…

published 08 - October - 2020
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Human-Centred Security: Managing human vulnerabilities

In this ISF Classics episode of the Information Security Forum’s Human-Centred Security podcast series, we…

published 06 - October - 2020
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Human-Centred Security: Exploiting human vulnerabilities

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published 01 - October - 2020
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Human-Centred Security: The human vulnerabilities

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published 20 - August - 2020
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Bridging the gap between the CISO and the Board

In this ISF classic podcast, we rewind to a series exploring the Board's role in…

published 29 - July - 2020
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Cyber Resilience - Reaping the Benefits In this podcast episode, William and Steve explore how…

published 28 - July - 2020
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The growing pressure on critical infrastructures

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published 29 - April - 2020
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Cyberpsychology and the Impact of Technology on Human Behaviour

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published 08 - April - 2020
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COVID-19: Top Security Tips for Working From Home

The COVID-19 outbreak has turned many regular office goers and commuters into home workers. They…

published 30 - March - 2020
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Cyber 2025: This Time it's Personal

In this ISF Podcast, James Arroyo OBE, Director of the Ditchley Foundation, sits down with…

published 25 - March - 2020
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An Astronaut's Guide to Managing Risk

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published 11 - March - 2020
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The Zero-Trust Network Security Model

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published 22 - January - 2020
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Think Before You Click

In this episode of the ISF Podcast Jon Fisher, former FBI agent and current Managing…

published 23 - July - 2019
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In today's podcast, Steve Durbin, CEO, ISF talks with Dr. Ann Cavoukian, the Distinguished Expert-in-Residence…

published 27 - June - 2019
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ISF Video: Finding your 'rhythm' in business

Individuals and teams face increasing pressure to perform at a high level and work efficiently.…

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The Evolution of Cybercrime with Misha Glenny, Author of McMafia

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